By Stephen C. Webster
Monday, June 10, 2013 9:22 EDT
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Appearing on MSNBC Monday morning, Guardian journalist
Glenn Greenwald smacked down “White House talking points” he said were being repurposed by “Morning Joe” co-host
Mika Brzezinski, saying the National Security Agency’s spying programs are flatly unconstitutional and that her defense of them was misleading.
“Quickly, I just want an answer yes or no,” Brzezinski began. “Isn’t
it the case that reviewing of emails or any wiretapping cannot take
place without an additional warrant from a judge and a review? It’s not
like there’s haphazard probing into all of our personal emails. Can we
put this into context so we understand exactly what’s going on?”
Greenwald didn’t even hesitate, blowing past Mika’s request for a one-word response.
“Yeah, I’ll put it into context for you: the White House
talking points that you’re using are completely misleading and false.
The whole point of what the Bush administration did when it disregarded
and violated the FISA law, and then when Congress on a bipartisan basis
enacted a new surveillance law in 2008 was to enable the NSA to read
emails between people in the United States and people outside of the
United States without having to first go to a FISA court and get a
warrant. The only time individual warrants are needed is when two people
are both within the United States and are both American citizens.”
Brzezinski didn’t like his response. “I’m not using talking points,
Glenn,” she said, suggesting Greenwald failed to answer her question.
“I’d like to put this into perspective. Is the law being broken?”
Another guest,
Council on Foreign Relations President Richard Haas,
replied that it is not, but hedged a bit, cautioning that the current
law may strike many as “expansive.” Greenwald fired back, saying that if
it really is legal, the Obama administration should let the courts rule
on it instead of shutting down cases with procedural claims of state
secrets and national security exceptions.
“The ACLU and other groups have been trying for five years now to go
into court and challenge the constitutionality of the surveillance law
by claiming that it violates the Fourth Amendment. We do have a
Constitution in the United States regarding searches and seizures. The
U.S. government has successfully blocked any challenge on the grounds
that we keep it a secret, who it is that we eves drop on, and since we
keep it a secret no one person can say they’ve been eves dropped on, and
therefore have no standing in court to challenge the law.”
“So if you want to talk about legality, the Obama Justice Department
has repeatedly blocked courts from ruling on the legality, mainly the
constitutionality of this law,” he concluded. “If they think it’s so
legal, let there be a challenge in court.”
This video is from MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” aired Monday, June 10, 2013, snipped by Mediaite.
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